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Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

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Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby George Kretschmann » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:40 pm

Is there anyone who sell new ones for a twin Comanche. This particular gauge has he 2 red buttons that suck in or stay out if there is no vacuum. Thanks George

What mine is doing on the right engine is at 500 /600 or so rpm the right little red button is hammering the glass. If you throttle up the engine just a little it stops. other than that the suction is good.

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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby MULEFLY » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:49 pm

You might have a leak in a hose... in the right side.. JMHO
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby George Kretschmann » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:10 am

 
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby N3322G » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:16 am

We had a few problems and finally ended up replacing every hose - instrument through firewall to check valve, check valve all the way to the pumps. check valve has been OH by rapco and pumps are new - should be good for another 40 years.
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby Zach Grant L1011jock » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:31 pm

You most likely have a vacuum pump that is on the weak side. Vacuum pumps pump in pulses even though it is a rotary vane, and each pulse at lower pressures may be seen in the buttons (RPMs in the 5-600 range will not make much vacuum). If the buttons are pulled out of view solidly by 1000 RPM, and they operate independently, ie the right engine doesnt pull both buttons in, then you have a normally operating vacuum system. IF you wish to chase the issue further, replacing the vacuum pump most likely will solve the issues.
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby George Kretschmann » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:19 am

 
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby George Kretschmann » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:19 am

 
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby steen » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:11 am

George, Your right vacuum pump is calling.
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby George Kretschmann » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:20 pm

 
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby George Kretschmann » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:54 am

 
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby MULEFLY » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:10 am

That looks good... not sure if they picked up the PH pumps or not... after the Senator in MO was killed... they may have sold their line and I don't recognize the other vendors in the Aircraft Spruce catalog.
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby N3322G » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:11 am

IIRC a contributing factor to the MO Senator accident was the Twin's check valve was not working and for Part 135 operator's that is now an AD every so many hours to either check or replace. Heard about this after a double vacuum pump failures due to bad engine hang by Altus (no longer in business). I started watching this on engine start and shut-down, sure enough 4 years later, the check valve went. O/H by Rapco and runs well now. The removal highlighted the bad hoses ... suspect this contributed to a mysterious double vacuum pump failure even Rapco expert could not explain (in warranty). Every single 'rubber' hose has been replaced from engine through fire wall in the nose and behind the panel to each instrument. Amazing what inventive charlie-romeo-alpha-pappa hoses had been installed behind the panel to instruments. Thanks to Clifton, I'm highly confident the instrument to vacuum pump system will long outlast me.
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby MULEFLY » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:09 am

Pat... don't be comparing your anticipated life span to that of a mechanical vacuum pump... I'm betting on you girl!
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby N3322G » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:41 pm

Thanks Jim!

Al Powers is my current inspiration. At age 80 he OH'd both engines. He and the engines are running great.

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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby George Kretschmann » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:59 am

I went with the Rapco pump, changed out the Garlock seal used a new gasket and the pump leaked on test run up. I took the pump off used a new gasket checked the Garlock seal again tightened down the pump, leaked on test run up again.

What is that small oil passage on the right bottom of the mounting flange? I can't understand where the oil is coming from. I know the gasket I took off had only the 4 mounting holes and the new gasket has many small holes besides the 4 mounting holes.
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Re: Vacume Gauge Twin Comanche

Postby Andres Darvasi » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:44 am

George, I believe that the oil passage is for a wet (lubricated) pump. The dry pump doesn't have a hole and blocks that oil passage.
Therefore the importance of tightening the bolts properly when changing it, and testing for leaks after.
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