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Brakes are dragging

Postby George Kretschmann » Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:39 pm

I don't think it should take 2 hands to rotate the main wheels. I just rebuilt the main calipers new flex hoses and purged the old fluid with new fluid and the brakes seem to be very tight. The calipers and pistons cleaned very nice and assembled with no issues does the master cylinders need rebuilding as well I didn't think they were a problem?
Anyone else have these problems?

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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby N3322G » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:02 am

Nope - one hand 65 year old non-weightlifting female. Other hand is on the throttles.
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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby Kristin Winter » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:36 am

It is likely that the bolts holding the back plates on the caliper have been over-tightened numerous times. The spec is about 60 in/lbs, which is often ignored. That puts indentations in the thick, aluminum, crescent-shaped spacer. There should be that spacer and a crescent-shaped phenolic spacer. Also, you should be using the 66-65 and 66-62 pads and not the older 66-15 and 66-19 pads. These are obsolete and don't seem to work well with the newer discs.
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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby George Kretschmann » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:27 am

I got the pads from Webco, and I'll check the torque tomorrow. I'll also check those part numbers. Thanks George
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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby N3322G » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:11 pm

George - know you are talking brakes and perhaps that is the last thing you changed so best suspect.

Perhaps if you've also recently adjusted the trim tab, that would also be a factor for tough to pull off the ground.

If it is the brakes, there should be a corresponding, short landing roll or maybe tire chirping on landing with perhaps more wear on tires.

For sure, if I were you, I'd check Kristin's ideas first.

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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby George Kretschmann » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:27 am

I will, I have the older brake shoes and will order the newer one this week. One thing I do notice is when I move the plane back and forth the calipers move and stop against the stop pins. I don't think I have seen that before, is that normal? You really don't notice things until a problem comes up.

And to change the Subject I installed GAMI injectors this week and did a hour flight and could notice the difference. The engine run a whole lot smoother and can lean better.

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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby Kristin Winter » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:00 am

George,

It sounds like the torque plates are too sloppy. Have you downloaded the Cleveland maintenance manual. It might have some specs on the wear. My guess is more more than .003 to .005 clearance, but that is a guess. If the spec is not in the manual, you can contact Cleveland and ask. Post it please if you find it.

The bad news is that if you need new ones, they are expensive and rare. I had a heck of a time finding a pair in 2010 and I think they cost me around $325 each. I would be tempted to have a machine shop weld it up and ream out to the correct dimension, or some such repair.

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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby George Kretschmann » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:10 am

Great, just what I need. I will post back any info I find on the subject. I did order the other brake pads from Cheif, they had them. Thanks George
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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby George Kretschmann » Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:31 am

 
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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby Kristin Winter » Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:55 am

You don't need the larger one. It is obsolete. The brakes use two of one an the back plate and two of the other on the pressure plate. I can't remember which ones are which off hand. Download the Cleveland Maintenance Manual and it will tell you what to put where.
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Re: Brakes are dragging

Postby George Kretschmann » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:38 pm

RA066-06500 (PP) Pressure Plate
RA066-06200 (BP) Backing Plate

Here is what I found, mine still has the one piece on both sides, I guess Ill swap them out and put the 65's on the pressure side. Thanks George

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I have found there are 3 different areas that could cause this issue for all you future break experts out there...lol... I formulad this information  by actually tearing the entire assembly apart and I mean the entire assembly from the wheels to the break peddles.

1. Like stated before, make sure the 4 bolts (that are safety wired) are not to tight...but even if they are snug (Torqued) at the required inch pounds there should still be a little play in the caliper housing. about 1/32" to 1/16" of play.

2. Sometime a  shim ( which I made 3) from tracing out the pattern and cutting and drilling the 4 holes, can help if the torque is good and they are still a bit too snug. There has to be a bit of play in the wheel.

3. Now this is the best part.... The pressure plate is sometimes the reason for the wheel not spinning freely. I found this out through bitter experience....doing all the above, getting the breaks to operate properly with the same amount of peddle pressure...then after flying only to find "Miss Guided" wanting to keep running  off to the left of the taxiway...so...back up on the jacks for #4.

4. Here is the grand finale boys and girls....the little hole that the pressure plate retaining screw that has the sleeve, spring and lock nut on it goes through the caliper...it has a split bushing that it goes through that's in the caliper.. After careful inspection i could see the bushing was too far in and keeping the pressure plate from retracting...thus keeping the inside break pads tight up against the disk and burning up the paint on my "brand new" replace disk that I bought to replace the riveted type.

Great kit by the way. I was actually thinking about doing the same thing with a set of Revco pads after removing the old disk and rivets...but it's not legal and you know how those insurance guys can be...lol...!

Any ole way, that little spit bushing should move freely so it needs to be removed, cleaned, lightly sanded (if needed) , lubed and placed back in the caliper housing (thanks to input from my buddy Phil at Webco)...and WA-LA...Bob's your Uncle...!

Now all I have to do is bleed the breaks from the bottom up (as per the shop manual and my GURU Pat Berry).  I figured out what you have to do in order to get a piece of hose to fit in the little hole where the bleed screw is on the older type of Comanches. Are you ready for this..16oz hand oil can (Amazon 9.99), 2 @ 1/2" screw clamps, 1' of clear 3/16" (.39) hose...and now the the part that make's it all work...the screw that fits in the hole has to be a 10/24 x 3/8" VENTED Cap head socket screw.(M5x.8mm) Granger pak of 5 @ $6.99. I added a very small o-ring from an old emergency brake master cylinder inner spring pressure rod to keep it from leaking while I pumped the new oil in.

Vented,  Vented Socket Head Cap Screw,  #10-24,  Stainless Steel,  18-8,  Plain,  1/2 in Length

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@14347 Nice writeup and thorough

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