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Fuel Odor in Cockpit

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Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Kristofer Duckett » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:52 am

Hi All,

 

I have noticed a very strong fuel odor in the cockpit when the gear is extended in my 1964 250. When the gear is up not too much of a smell. Any thoughts?

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Zach Grant L1011jock » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:58 am

You need fuel tank bladders. They are leaking, and the vapors are being blown into the cabin with the added airflow through the gear well with the gear down. You probably have increase fuel smell when slowing, descending and after landing. This is common if the tanks have deteriorated on the top and are seeping. You may not see any trace evidence in the wing root yet, but it will not get better. Time for some tanks!
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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby N3322G » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:01 am

Zach,

 

Thanks for sharing the why of the fuel vapors increase - hadn't put that and the bladders together. Its a nice early predictor vs the normal, see blue fuel stain and then take action.

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby 9089P » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:44 pm

Hi Kris,

 

If your fuel bladders are old then Zach is most likely correct. To check get under the wings and check for blue stains/goo at the wing roots. If you bladders are new, or relatively so, you can get the smell if you have a leak at the fuel tank selector valve. I know this as I still had the fuel smell after replacing all 4 bladders a few years back. You can get a rebuild kit from webco for the valve.

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Kristofer Duckett » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:31 am

Yep, Blue goo under the wings and I suspected the same. So now the question is where can I get this fixed...reasonalby of course and fast if possible. The wife and I have been planning a trip for some time and the window is beginning the close. I am located in Clovis, NM (30 flight east of lubbock or amarillo, tx). Thanks Don, Zac, and Pat.
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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby 9089P » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:48 am

Well the fix is straight forward, replace the bladders. The good news is they always crack and leak from the top so you can minimize the odor by not filling them quite so full. Don't recall whether you have a 2 tanks or 4 plane. The bladders are around $1K each as I recall and the hard part is the prep to install and then doing the install. It helps if you have skinny but very long arms. Its a bad deal but not as bad a Cessna bladders. If you have 4 bladders, to save time and spread the cost, you could do the mains first then the aux's after the trip.

 

Good luck, Don

PS Do not fall for the false economy of repairing the old bladders. The cost here will be the labor, buy new bladders.

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby N3322G » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:22 pm

Kristin Winter mentioned how well the bladders from http://www.aerotechservicesinc.com/ fit her twin, so I used them also and mechanic said they were great. Got a discount for being an ICS member and they had them in stock that was less than 30 days old. Over a year I replaced all 4 at Clifton Aero, really nice avity prep so the bladders will last longer than I'll be flying the twin
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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Kristofer Duckett » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:34 am

Thanks Pat,

 

If you don't mind how much did the tanks cost with the discount?

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby jeffrey aryan » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:01 am

I paid $700 for one right aux tank for my twin about 2 months ago.

 

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby N3322G » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:31 pm

Kristopher,

 

Since I had other work done at the same time, I don't recall the individual cost.

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Kristofer Duckett » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:11 am

Thanks Pat, Hey Jeff where did you get it?

 

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby tomburke1 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:30 am

You might try Floats and Fuel Cells of Memphis for a price. Give Keith at Airparts of Fort Lauderdale a call. ( 954 ) 739-3575, or you can contact F&FC direcctly through their website. I have installed a few of them and they fit well and when I bought them a bit cheaper then Aerotech even with their discount. You will need an installation kit for each as well.

 

To trouble shoot, look at the trail of stains and see if they connect to the mains, and then look for stains outboard of your mains for aux tank leakage. There is a small inspection plate where the tank nipple connects to the fuel line. If there are blue stains there you will need aux's as well. In the fuel injected Comanches, another thing to check is the aux fuel pump. If it is leaking you get the same smell.

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby jeffrey aryan » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:55 am

I went to AeroTech in Santa Fe Springs, CA. It is a 45 minute drive for me. I have used them in the past.

 

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Mark Anderson » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:13 pm

Kristopher,

 

It would also be worth checking your fuel sender on top of the wing. I had one of these leaking that caused the odor in the cockpit and the stains on the wing root. It will be easy to tell if one is leaking there will be fuel standing in the depression it sits in. All it took to fix mine was to torque it down as it was loose. Also I have had the nipple leak behind the fairing in the wing root. Again the hose clamp just needed to be tightened. Also a bad gasket around the big oval opening around your filler port can cause this. I will say I noticed more just blue fuel stain rather than goo. Hope you can get it fixed quickly!

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Richard Muller » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:37 am

Mark,

I had the same problem with the fuel sender. But there is also a flexible tube in the fuel vent line Part No. 82371-47. When this tube is bad, fuel will run through the wing, when the fuel cell is full to the top. The fuel vent line will then not vent to the bottom of the wing, it ends inside th wing.

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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Jerry Mazza » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:41 pm

Has anybody had any experience with rebuilt bladders from Hartwig Fuel Cells? Aviation Consumer saysnthey should be about as good as new at half the price.
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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby N3322G » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:18 am

If you are paying someone else to remove and re-install, the economics favor a new bladder. Had few bladders repaired and they lasted about 7-10 years. For the labor of doing it twice, I would have been better off buying a new bladder and paying for a single remove and install.
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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Kristin Winter » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:00 am

Even putting aside the 6-8 hours of shop time to replace a fuel cell, just the cost per year favors new fuel cells. IMX, new cells last twice as long and the reconditioned cost more than 1/2 of what a new cell costs. I wouldn't consider anything but a new fuel cell.
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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Bert Japikse » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:11 pm

Another possible source of trouble at least in 250 Comanches may be the gascolator which can leak at the valve. If it does, the fuel may seep along the inside of the closed access door and under the cockpit floor. With the cockpit door closed, the smell can be strong, but it will dissipate once the door is opened and the big fan is started. Look for blue stain around the gascolator access door.
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Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit

Postby Jerry Mazza » Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:58 pm

Mine on my Twinco were the aux tanks leaking on both sides. The mains, although original were fine. If you only fill one tank completly full for each flight and leave the others about two inches from the top, you can isolate which tank(s) are leaking. I absolutely agree that for the labor involved you should buy new tanks. I ordered mine from Webco and they fit perfectly. It was interesting though that included with the installation supplies was a pack of Band-aids. Someone has a sense of humor. Jerry Mazza
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