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Stumped by electrical issues!

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  • #104194 Trash | Reply
    George Clover

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    Hi All,

    I am looking for some wisdom to help my A&P solve a mystery. Recently have had breakers burn rather than pop. First attempt at repair was to replace the voltage regulator thinking it was caused by that. This did not solve it. Further testing showed the alternator putting out an AC current, so alternator was replaced as well. For the first couple of flight hours everything performed fantastic. Today however, upon departure, the alternator breaker popped. This seemed to happen with all of the lights and radios on, and the landing gear coming up. After a few seconds, and turning off the landing lights, the breaker was reset and everything functioned well the remainder of the flight. I took off again at my destination just to see if it would fail and it did not. My question at this point is do you think that the overload could be to a worn landing gear motor putting a heavy load on departures? Do you also think that installing lower voltage landing lights would help the load issue if not the gear motor? The annual is due in June so I would like to have some ideas to present if I can to help out my A&P. Any help or comments are appreciated. I also apologize for the long-winded story! Also, I know this may sound strange but everyone in the cockpit noticed a strange odor when the breaker popped. My reaction was is sort of smelled like radiator coolant but since there is no radiator that part is baffling as well…

    Thanks!
    George Clover
    N313MW

  • #104207 Trash | Reply
    William Hughes

    Participant

    George:

    Circuit breaker are rated to open after a specified current is applied over a specified amount of time. Putting AC current from the alternator into your electrical system may have caused damage to more than just a circuit breaker. That time can be as much as an hour, depending on the breaker. So a 20 amp breaker will require 20 amps to be applied for an hour. It may pop in less time but it is certified to pop within an hour. This might allow a pretty high load to be applied for a considerable time before it pops.

    The system should be able to operate with the landing lights and so forth working at their designed amperages. I put LED lights in mine as I have tip tanks and I never wanted to remove a tip tank to change a light bulb. The reduced current draw is also nice.

    The AC current may have, if it got past the regulator and the battery, done harm to a number of systems. This could cause trouble with the brushes in the motor, the solenoid contacts, and other such items. If the voltage to the system is low, the gear motor will pull more current, and this may also pop a breaker.

    William

  • #104208 Trash | Reply
    George Clover

    Participant

    Thanks so much William! I appreciate your input and will pass it on to my A&P. The annual is coming up next month so hopefully he can dig a little deeper at that point. It is giving me good trouble shooting experience for sure! Thanks so much!

    George

  • #104709 Trash | Reply
    John Stark

    Participant

    In an electrical system the battery starts the airplane and then ideally sits there getting a small charge for the rest of the flight. Obviously if you lose power then the battery is there to run things for a short time until you can get on the ground.

    The battery does also function in one other way. If the power generated by an alternator or generator can’t keep up with the demand and the voltage goes to 12 volts, then the battery helps out. This is very common on Comanche’s since they usually have only a 35 to 55 amp generator. Even if you have upgraded to an alternator, the load can sometimes get to high for the alternator to keep up. Especially on landing, when you have all your lights on and then activate your gear. Pretty much everything in the airplane is one and your transmitting a good bit to take even more current draw.

    So what to do? First make sure your battery is in good shape. A weak battery will not be there for the airplane when it needs it and that will cause all the current to be directed to the alternator. Pop goes the circuit breaker. As you mentioned, try lowering your overall draw by getting LED lights for things like the landing lights, strobe etc.

    Hope this helps.

    John Stark
    Stark Avionics
    N8029P

  • #104711 Trash | Reply
    George Clover

    Participant

    Hi John,

    Thanks so much for the reply and great advice. At the last annual I did change out the landing lights to the led versions. It did exactly as you describe. No more popped breakers in the pattern. I highly recommend it to anyone that may also be having the same issue.

    Thanks!
    George

 


   
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