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Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:53 pm

I am just finishing a major annual on my PA 30B and need to replace the canvas nose wheel cover and can't find one on the market. Does anyone have any ideas on where to get a new one? My old one is destroyed and unavailable for making a new one. Webco said that there might be a demand for that as they just talked to someone who was looking at making a number to sell them. Is anyone else having this problem and if so, are you interested in working with me to have a bunch made and made available to members?
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Don Nelson » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:24 pm

Don't even know what shape mine is in, but sure, I'd like to see them available.
Count me in. What do you need?

 

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:40 pm

Don,
Thanks for responding, I am looking for an old one that isn't being used so that I can use it as a template to give to the person I am having make new ones. That way she can make an exact duplicate. I will use a fire retarded canvas just like what is used on the OEM. Stay tuned. Does anyone have an old one that I can use. I will return it after we use it to make the template.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Don Nelson » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:48 pm

Dave Callon is parting out his twin - don't remember the model, but you might inquire if he has the cover. davecallon@comcast.net (from the Pathfinder)

 

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby N3322G » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:15 pm

Jim and Don,

 

Got a nice canvas one from Webco a decade or so ago - only flaw was it had an extra snap.

Washed it once at a commercial laundry and Hans N. suggested I protect the top most portion from further wear by lashing a spare piece of cut to fit baffle material to cushion the pointed part of the welded structure. So far, so good for 3 years now.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:55 pm

Pat,
I have talked to Webco and they don't have anymore in stock. They are the ones that said nobody is making them any longer. That is why I thought it would be good to see if anyone else needs one. I will see that there are some made to meed the members needs, if there are any.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby N3322G » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:24 pm

Jim,

 

I think Kristin Winter was also looking at this project - not sure but someone else was. If mine wasn't in such good shape, I'd be on the band wagon with you. Just got lucky on timing.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby jeffrey aryan » Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:18 am

Jim,

 

After you get a pattern try not to get the snaps preinstalled. My suggestion is to start from the Top center and work your way outward evenly. One mark or snap at a time. Mark the canvas with a pen pencil or something. Then install the snaps. It is not difficult, it takes about 4 hours to do. If you are close to Chino, Ca (So-Cal area) you could come over and I can help you out. I have the snaps and the tools to install them in the canvas. But you have to buy lunch.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:42 am

Jeff,
Thanks for the advice, I just contacted Kristin and she is letting me use her old cover as a template. I will let you know if I get confused. Thanks again, never know, I might take you up on that lunch deal.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby jeffrey aryan » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:58 am

Sounds good,
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Francois Marquis » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:42 am

Jim,

 

If at all possible, why not publish the dimensions/measurements you find of the various pieces. This is the kind of item that is easy enough to fabricate (or get made) once you have good starting point. ICS is a great placeholder for that kind of information and could benefit others, many years down the road.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby jeffrey aryan » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:03 am

Francois,

 

FYI,

I believe it is next to impossible to give or get accurate dimensions for the canvas nose cover. One reason, over the years the canvas shrinks and stretches. By how much is really a unknown. Another problem is the placement of the snaps which again affects the exact shape of the canvas. Also I have seen a couple of covers with reinforced extra pieces swen around the top of the cover, again that affects the stretch and size along with the placement of the snaps.

Your idea is a good one, but I just don't think it will work. It would be nice if it did. FWIW.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:18 am

Thanks for the great ideas, I will be looking at the one Kristin has and check out the fit and shrinking. I will try and make a template to cut out the pieces with. I will also talk to the local aviation apholstery shop to see what they will charge to make the cover. Is there anyone out there that is interested in having one made. I am making it for the PA 30. Stay tuned,
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Andreas Riedel » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:02 pm

Hi Jim, I made a new cover for my Pa30 a while ago and used my old one as template. I kept the old one which is in pieces as they had to be messured individually. I will take the messuremants/ photos and post it. The new one fitted perfectly.

 

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:59 pm

Andreas,
That would be a great service to the members that want or need to make one in the future. Where are you located? I was going to use Kristin's as she is only 15 miles away and do the same with it as you did making yours. If you can make the drawings with measurments and angles listed along with pic's would be a great service. Thanks Andreas,
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Andreas Riedel » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:36 am

Hi Jim, I am a bit further away then Kristin. I am located in Germany near the Austrian/Swiss border so I guess a few thousend miles away but no problem in the days of internet. Will put the parts together, iron it, messure them and post it. Give some time.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Andreas Riedel » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:14 pm

Hi Jim, had a look at it and it is in one piece but quite involved in making a drawing. I will make a template drawing on paper if you want to and send it to you. Let me know if you are interested and let me have your address so I can send it to you.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby SLIMDREDGER » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:09 pm

A friend who replaced his canvas cover checked the snap locations on his airplane and mine determined that there was no commonality between our airplanes. He ended up measuring and locating the snaps on the canvas and installing each one individually.

I think Jeff's above comments are correct.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby N3322G » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:00 am

Jim,

Sign me up for one. Nose cowl was off today and it didn't look as good as I remembered.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby md11flyer » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:10 am

Jim, Mine is still Ok but has some overpray on it from the recent paint job, so I will opt in for a new one.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Andreas Riedel » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:07 pm

Hi Jim, I have attached a photo of the cover and also made a template on paper. If somebody is interested, send me the address and I will send it. Can also send to ICS for member usage since there seems to be a bit of interest. Also made more detailed pictures. Let me have e-mail adddress and I will send them.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:05 pm

Anereas,
Thank you for the pic. I would be interested in having the paper outline template if you could send it. I have Kristins as well but it is in pretty bad shape. If you send me your template, I will match it up with Kristins and see if there is any shrinking. Once I get the right measurments, I will proceed in getting some made. For those who have expressed interest in wanting one, it looks like they are going to cost around $130-$150 each, although that isn't exact as the upholsterer is only estimating the time. I will take a final count and get this done as soon as you can sent that to me. My address:

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:51 pm

To all concerned,
I am going to make these 1/4" bigger in width and length at each end to allow for shrinkage. I will also not install the snaps but will put a light mark where they are relative to the template. It's easy to get a snap installer and install your own snaps according to your particular cover. Hope this is ok with everyone and not installing the snaps by the upholsterer will reduce the price as well. I think the previous advice about the snap installation is a good one. As soon as I get the template made, the upholstery shop will begin the process so if your interested in having one and not already told me, please let me know as I will be taking a final count by weeks end. Thanks,
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Kristin Winter » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:44 am

You might see if the upholsterer can source the snaps. I had trouble finding some of the snaps. There are two difference sizes used.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:04 pm

Will do Kristin, thanks!

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby David Pyle » Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:12 pm

Snap sources might be shops who make convertible tops and covers for antique cars. Some older tops were secured by snaps and turnbutton/eyelet fasteners. The latter might be a satisfactory substitute for snaps. There are tools for installing these fasteners available at Moss Motors. Phone is 800 667 7872. A "lift the dot hand punch" is item 226-105, and the "snap installation tool" is 386-980. Might buy and bicycle the tools to those needing them.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:36 pm

Thanks Dave, good information. I will buy the necessary tools and make them available to everyone else.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby jeffrey aryan » Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:08 am

ok,

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:29 pm

To all concerned, I have a good template thanks to Andreas and Kristin and will begin having these made. As it stands now, I have 3 members asking for one:

Don Nelson
Pat Jayne Keefer
Gary Nauta

Are there any other members interested in having a new cover? I am going to have the cover made according to the template, but will not have the snaps installed. I will provide snaps but I think it would be better for each person to install the snaps as each plane apparently has a slightly different placement of their snaps. I will buy the tools necessary to do so and will make them available to others. I will have a price this week but it looks like they will be around $110- $130 each. Once I have the snaps I will have a better number. Please let me know if your interested,
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:31 pm

Thanks you Andreas for the work and time you have spent on this. Thank you also for sending it to me. Hope to meet you someday.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Andreas Riedel » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:13 am

Glad you got it Jim and I could be of help. This should solve the problem of nose wheel covers for the future.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jerry Mazza » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:26 pm

Have you thought about making extras and selling them? I would love to have a spare for when mine needs replacement. Selling them withoutnthe snaps installed would be good, even better would be to offer a " snap kit" to invlude the snaps and the tool to install them.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:48 am

I am going to make more than I need for current requests although I am having to do allot of work myself to keep the cost down. I will in fact have the snaps included with spares. I was unsure of including a snap tool as they are pretty easy to buy. I am working with the upholstery guy now. Thanks for your comments as I will have one made for you as well.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Mickey Stateler » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:02 pm

Jim,
Pat Keefer put me on to this thread, as I was unaware, but was telling her my similar story of attempting to get one of these made. I took my torn and tattered, but still fully assembled cover to a local canvas shop in Fort Worth. They quickly reproduced it in black as requested, but the snaps they used were the standard size you might find on a boat cover. Problem is that the snaps the connected to the aircraft are oversized. I sent it back and they attempted to come up with the snaps, but cam up empty handed. In the end, they repaired holes in my original, and gave both pieces to me for no charge. Any idea where I can purchase the smaller snaps and a tool for installing them?
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:51 pm

Mick,
I am working with a shop that for years did airplane upholstery and interiors and said that he will get the right snaps. When I get that info, I will forward it on. For those who have requested one and are following this blog, I have ordered the canvas material and am waiting for it to be delivered. The template is made and ready to by transferred to the material as soon as I get it. It won't be long after that when the covers will be finished. Thanks for your patience.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Kristin Winter » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:31 am

Jim,

If you find a source for the right size snaps, please post for all.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby jeffrey aryan » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:46 am

Kristin,

I have the correct size snaps and tool. When you get down to the So-Cal area stop by.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:27 pm

Ok everyone, I know it's been awhile, but I have them ready to send out at the end of this week. It's been a major job to get this done as I did much of the work myself. The upholstery shop I used charges $100 per hour and there is allot of sewing in these. I also have added some patches in the high stress areas to add some life to the cover. The two, that I used to make this with, have tears in the same areas which are the areas I reinforced. I also treated the edges with a seam sealing glue to keep the material from coming apart. The biggest issue is the snap installing tool as I had to buy one and will make it available to anyone who want to use it. I am not installing the snaps but will include them as every aircraft is different with the snaps slightly different for each one. I will also make sure you have extra snaps in case a mistake is made during installation.
I am going to have these available for $185, including the snaps, use of tool and shipping. They were selling for $200, without extra snaps, use of a tool, additional reinforcing patches and shipping. Problem is that no one has any to sell as there is no one making these anymore.
Please check in so that I can make a fresh list of those wanting one. Thanks,
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby md11flyer » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:20 am

Jim, thanks for doing the work. I will take one and if there are any other Canadians that want one, maybe it would be a good idea to have the snap installation tools sent to one of us and then when done we could ship it domestically in Canada until everyone in Canada that wants one has installed the snaps and then ships the tool back to the next guy in line in the Us. Or visa versa do the Us guys first and then ship it to Canada for the round here.
Maybe you could put a mail in the Delphi site and see if anybody there needs one as well.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Kristin Winter » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:32 am

Jim,

Are you done with my old cover?

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby steen » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:22 am

Canvas???? Mine is leather. What happened and which is original?
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby 9089P » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:15 pm

Wow, you got the Eddie Bauer edition Comanche!:-)

Canvas was original.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:27 pm

I have never seen or heard of a leather cover, can do it if you want to pay for it.
My upholster guy turned up with the flu on Sunday and called to postpone our sewing day till later on this week. I don't want to get what he has. This will unfortunately set me back a few days so it will probably be next week. I appreciate the idea about Canada and the sharing of the tool. When I get a final inventory of guys that want them, I will set up a schedule as some need it sooner since they are in or going into annual soon. I am in mine right now. Thanks for the input and I will be back soon with final details.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jody Brausch » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:35 pm

Jim,

I would like to order one from you. Let me know how you would like to arrange payment. Thank you for your work on this project.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:49 am

Jody,
Please send me your email address. Mine is : skyjim47@gmail.com.
Are you in immediate need or within the next couple weeks ok with you. I still haven't determined a schedule for the tool that will be needed to install the snaps. Just communicate with me on my email. Thanks,
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:40 am

For all who have voiced an interest:

I have the cover for the front landing gear ready to ship. You will find that this is significantly different than the one which is in the normal PA30. I have spent the extra time and money to make this better in every way. I have reinforced it in the areas where it tears most often, sealed all the edges with a carpet sealing glue to prevent unraveling and installed Velcro to most of the areas that connect to the plane. The use of the Velcro is optional as you don't have to us it if you don't want to, but I really think it is the way to go on some of the tabs, especially the left and right front sides. It is imperative that you make sure the surface is smooth and clean before sticking the Velcro to it. I have also made this out of a little thicker and stronger material. I used a commercial upholstery shop to do the sewing but I did all the cutting, sealing and everything else I could do to keep the cost down. I have over $1800 invested in this project and eventually hope to sell enough to get reimbursed the cost. I am selling them now for $200 each as that was what they were selling for at Webco before they stopped selling them. I had ambitions of selling them much cheaper but unfortunately with the additional things I did, it came out a little bit more expensive. The price only reimburses me for the hard costs and I am not charging for any of my labor. I hope you find this acceptable as I am ready to ship, if you still want one. Included are all the snaps necessary to match your aircraft and the use of a professional snap tool, if needed. Thanks

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Andreas Riedel » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:22 pm

Hi Jim, great to hear that you completed the task. This is a great service to our fleet. Also good idea to use Velcro, makes a lot of sense. Maybe you should inform Webco that these are available so they can inform all the PA30 owners who ask and don't hear about through the web. Maybe also a litte article about it in the Flyer would be good with photo.
Wish you lot's of sales so your effort is being repaid.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:49 am

Thanks Andreas, it was a little more work than I had anticipated. I am still tweeking them as I am discovering better ways of doing this. Thank you again for all your help and encouragement.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Zach Grant L1011jock » Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:18 pm

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As ICS owns and operates this forum, I need to make it perfectly clear that ICS is in no way condoning the production or is assisting in marketing an unapproved part. With that said, we whole heartedly support, and in fact encourage, the full use of all avenues available under the law, to safely and effectively maintain the Comanche series, including supporting OEM parts, STC's, field approvals, and owner produced parts.

With that said, it is also one of the many responsibilities of the ICS to educate our members when they may be approaching a point when others may get involved to their detrement. Advertising a part for sale for a certified aircraft that has no approval basis will cause the Feds to come knocking. However, changing the statement of availability in such a way as to say you have a sample available for a deposite so that an owner could reproduce one, or that you could assist in an owner produced part should they supply you with their current pattern, then that would stay on the side of the law that will enable everyone to get what they want without excessive "help" from the authorities. Simply building new parts, stocking them for sale, and marketing same would require PMA approval, and without that approval, fines for non compliance can run into the 10s of thousands of dollars for the first ofence. While this post is not aimed at anyone specific, and does not address any specific product being "marketed", I hope the location and thread that it is added to is clue enough about where some changes may need to be made.

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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby bernard nowlen » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:54 am

i got my nose gear wheel well cover from jim and it was 2" to short on the entire perimeter without the snaps installed. I e mailed jim and said it wouldn't fit so i was going to make own locally. I returnded the cover and asked for a 75% refund to cover any restocking for resale costs. That was 4 weeks ago and i'm out $200 for the cover plus $132 i spent getting a cover made locally that fit. I re e mailed him and he said a "check was in the mail". Not here yet. Perhaps ICS should pay a little more attention to members advertising non PMA parts for sale on the forum without a refund policy. If i was a jerk I could get the FAA involved but i'd rather loose the $200 than go down that road.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby bernard nowlen » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:54 pm

I'm still waiting for "jims" 75% refund on the cover i returned that didn't fit. He says the check is in the mail. It's been over 6 weeks. I hope all the ICS members that got one from him have a good fit or else you just threw away $200.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby N3322G » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:59 pm

Thought some photos of the finished product would be helpful. Can't say whether it fits my twin or not as I haven't tried it.
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Reinforced top hip area
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raw edges are glued to prevent fraying. some velcro is attached on one side. snaps were provided but would need to be installed
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inside of top hip reinforced area
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby bernard nowlen » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:07 pm

Mine didn't fit nor did jim refuned any portion of my money after returning the cover (i asked for 75%). Good luck
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Thu May 23, 2013 2:48 am

First off, to clear the air, Bernie has been fully reimbursed $200. It was certainly my error in not doing it back when I told him I would. I had been traveling extensively and have been distracted by some major issues, and as a result, I forgot to send it. I haven't been on this posting for several month to see any responses and today, just noticed some of the comments. This project was a total labor of love as it cost me more that $200 each to get this done, not including my time. They do in fact fit now, as I had to make a modification due to a template error. My fault! I am not selling them, I am merely asking that anyone who wants one, help me recover some of the costs in making these. I have 3 available but again, I am not selling them. If any of the people that got one wants a refund, please let me know. I am not nor do I want to be in the business of selling or making these covers. I a doing just fine with my own business.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby bernard nowlen » Thu May 23, 2013 2:31 pm

Jim is correct on his post even though I only asked for a 75% refund to help cover some of his expenses. The problem with the cover is that the original ones were made to fit each plane and they shrink over time. If you use the original one as a template for a new one it won't fit. I used a local boat canvas shop to make mine and had them make it 2" bigger around the perimeter.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement

Postby Jim Menconi » Thu May 23, 2013 4:11 pm

It wasn't a shrinking issue, it was that I didn't account for the 1" overlap along the edges and as a result, I made them 1" shorter on each side. Just an oversight on my part. This has been fixed and they look very nice with the repair, more like a custom cover. Mine fits very well on my plane with room to spare. The Velcro is added in case you want to use that as well although you don't have to use it if you don't want to. Installing the snap thru the velcro works just fine.
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