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Canvas nose sheel cover replacement
Jim
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement
Count me in. What do you need?
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement
Thanks for responding, I am looking for an old one that isn't being used so that I can use it as a template to give to the person I am having make new ones. That way she can make an exact duplicate. I will use a fire retarded canvas just like what is used on the OEM. Stay tuned. Does anyone have an old one that I can use. I will return it after we use it to make the template.
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Got a nice canvas one from Webco a decade or so ago - only flaw was it had an extra snap.
Washed it once at a commercial laundry and Hans N. suggested I protect the top most portion from further wear by lashing a spare piece of cut to fit baffle material to cushion the pointed part of the welded structure. So far, so good for 3 years now.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement
I have talked to Webco and they don't have anymore in stock. They are the ones that said nobody is making them any longer. That is why I thought it would be good to see if anyone else needs one. I will see that there are some made to meed the members needs, if there are any.
Jim
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I think Kristin Winter was also looking at this project - not sure but someone else was. If mine wasn't in such good shape, I'd be on the band wagon with you. Just got lucky on timing.
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After you get a pattern try not to get the snaps preinstalled. My suggestion is to start from the Top center and work your way outward evenly. One mark or snap at a time. Mark the canvas with a pen pencil or something. Then install the snaps. It is not difficult, it takes about 4 hours to do. If you are close to Chino, Ca (So-Cal area) you could come over and I can help you out. I have the snaps and the tools to install them in the canvas. But you have to buy lunch.
Jeff
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Thanks for the advice, I just contacted Kristin and she is letting me use her old cover as a template. I will let you know if I get confused. Thanks again, never know, I might take you up on that lunch deal.
Jim
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If at all possible, why not publish the dimensions/measurements you find of the various pieces. This is the kind of item that is easy enough to fabricate (or get made) once you have good starting point. ICS is a great placeholder for that kind of information and could benefit others, many years down the road.
Cheers!
Francois
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FYI,
I believe it is next to impossible to give or get accurate dimensions for the canvas nose cover. One reason, over the years the canvas shrinks and stretches. By how much is really a unknown. Another problem is the placement of the snaps which again affects the exact shape of the canvas. Also I have seen a couple of covers with reinforced extra pieces swen around the top of the cover, again that affects the stretch and size along with the placement of the snaps.
Your idea is a good one, but I just don't think it will work. It would be nice if it did. FWIW.
Jeff Aryan
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Jim
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Andreas Riedel
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That would be a great service to the members that want or need to make one in the future. Where are you located? I was going to use Kristin's as she is only 15 miles away and do the same with it as you did making yours. If you can make the drawings with measurments and angles listed along with pic's would be a great service. Thanks Andreas,
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Andreas
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Andreas
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I think Jeff's above comments are correct.
ahp
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement
Sign me up for one. Nose cowl was off today and it didn't look as good as I remembered.
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Andreas Riedel
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Thank you for the pic. I would be interested in having the paper outline template if you could send it. I have Kristins as well but it is in pretty bad shape. If you send me your template, I will match it up with Kristins and see if there is any shrinking. Once I get the right measurments, I will proceed in getting some made. For those who have expressed interest in wanting one, it looks like they are going to cost around $130-$150 each, although that isn't exact as the upholsterer is only estimating the time. I will take a final count and get this done as soon as you can sent that to me. My address:
Jim Menconi
985 Slate Dr
Santa Rosa, CA 95405
Email: Skyjim47@gmail.com
Thanks Andreas,
Jim
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I am going to make these 1/4" bigger in width and length at each end to allow for shrinkage. I will also not install the snaps but will put a light mark where they are relative to the template. It's easy to get a snap installer and install your own snaps according to your particular cover. Hope this is ok with everyone and not installing the snaps by the upholsterer will reduce the price as well. I think the previous advice about the snap installation is a good one. As soon as I get the template made, the upholstery shop will begin the process so if your interested in having one and not already told me, please let me know as I will be taking a final count by weeks end. Thanks,
Jim
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Jim
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Don Nelson
Pat Jayne Keefer
Gary Nauta
Are there any other members interested in having a new cover? I am going to have the cover made according to the template, but will not have the snaps installed. I will provide snaps but I think it would be better for each person to install the snaps as each plane apparently has a slightly different placement of their snaps. I will buy the tools necessary to do so and will make them available to others. I will have a price this week but it looks like they will be around $110- $130 each. Once I have the snaps I will have a better number. Please let me know if your interested,
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Jim
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Pat Keefer put me on to this thread, as I was unaware, but was telling her my similar story of attempting to get one of these made. I took my torn and tattered, but still fully assembled cover to a local canvas shop in Fort Worth. They quickly reproduced it in black as requested, but the snaps they used were the standard size you might find on a boat cover. Problem is that the snaps the connected to the aircraft are oversized. I sent it back and they attempted to come up with the snaps, but cam up empty handed. In the end, they repaired holes in my original, and gave both pieces to me for no charge. Any idea where I can purchase the smaller snaps and a tool for installing them?
Thank you,
--mick
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I am working with a shop that for years did airplane upholstery and interiors and said that he will get the right snaps. When I get that info, I will forward it on. For those who have requested one and are following this blog, I have ordered the canvas material and am waiting for it to be delivered. The template is made and ready to by transferred to the material as soon as I get it. It won't be long after that when the covers will be finished. Thanks for your patience.
Jim
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If you find a source for the right size snaps, please post for all.
Thanks!
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I have the correct size snaps and tool. When you get down to the So-Cal area stop by.
Jeff
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I am going to have these available for $185, including the snaps, use of tool and shipping. They were selling for $200, without extra snaps, use of a tool, additional reinforcing patches and shipping. Problem is that no one has any to sell as there is no one making these anymore.
Please check in so that I can make a fresh list of those wanting one. Thanks,
Jim
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Maybe you could put a mail in the Delphi site and see if anybody there needs one as well.
Thanks,
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Canvas was original.
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My upholster guy turned up with the flu on Sunday and called to postpone our sewing day till later on this week. I don't want to get what he has. This will unfortunately set me back a few days so it will probably be next week. I appreciate the idea about Canada and the sharing of the tool. When I get a final inventory of guys that want them, I will set up a schedule as some need it sooner since they are in or going into annual soon. I am in mine right now. Thanks for the input and I will be back soon with final details.
Jim
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I would like to order one from you. Let me know how you would like to arrange payment. Thank you for your work on this project.
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Re: Canvas nose sheel cover replacement
Please send me your email address. Mine is : skyjim47@gmail.com.
Are you in immediate need or within the next couple weeks ok with you. I still haven't determined a schedule for the tool that will be needed to install the snaps. Just communicate with me on my email. Thanks,
Jim
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I have the cover for the front landing gear ready to ship. You will find that this is significantly different than the one which is in the normal PA30. I have spent the extra time and money to make this better in every way. I have reinforced it in the areas where it tears most often, sealed all the edges with a carpet sealing glue to prevent unraveling and installed Velcro to most of the areas that connect to the plane. The use of the Velcro is optional as you don't have to us it if you don't want to, but I really think it is the way to go on some of the tabs, especially the left and right front sides. It is imperative that you make sure the surface is smooth and clean before sticking the Velcro to it. I have also made this out of a little thicker and stronger material. I used a commercial upholstery shop to do the sewing but I did all the cutting, sealing and everything else I could do to keep the cost down. I have over $1800 invested in this project and eventually hope to sell enough to get reimbursed the cost. I am selling them now for $200 each as that was what they were selling for at Webco before they stopped selling them. I had ambitions of selling them much cheaper but unfortunately with the additional things I did, it came out a little bit more expensive. The price only reimburses me for the hard costs and I am not charging for any of my labor. I hope you find this acceptable as I am ready to ship, if you still want one. Included are all the snaps necessary to match your aircraft and the use of a professional snap tool, if needed. Thanks
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Wish you lot's of sales so your effort is being repaid.
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As ICS owns and operates this forum, I need to make it perfectly clear that ICS is in no way condoning the production or is assisting in marketing an unapproved part. With that said, we whole heartedly support, and in fact encourage, the full use of all avenues available under the law, to safely and effectively maintain the Comanche series, including supporting OEM parts, STC's, field approvals, and owner produced parts.
With that said, it is also one of the many responsibilities of the ICS to educate our members when they may be approaching a point when others may get involved to their detrement. Advertising a part for sale for a certified aircraft that has no approval basis will cause the Feds to come knocking. However, changing the statement of availability in such a way as to say you have a sample available for a deposite so that an owner could reproduce one, or that you could assist in an owner produced part should they supply you with their current pattern, then that would stay on the side of the law that will enable everyone to get what they want without excessive "help" from the authorities. Simply building new parts, stocking them for sale, and marketing same would require PMA approval, and without that approval, fines for non compliance can run into the 10s of thousands of dollars for the first ofence. While this post is not aimed at anyone specific, and does not address any specific product being "marketed", I hope the location and thread that it is added to is clue enough about where some changes may need to be made.
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